It is a warning to turn away from false doctrine, to compare what people say with what the Bible says, and above all, to let yourself be lead by God, not a man in a suit standing behind a pulpit on Sunday morning.
What if there is no motive to obey, or obtain salvation to their giving, but a simple experience of joy and grattitude for what God has done in their life? And also we seem to be ignoring the fact that God is the only one who knows the heart. Exposing the biblical truth should not be the basis to attack the motives of people who may do something, of course with the understanding that by their fruits ye shall know them.
Although there is abuse of the word and incorrect teaching, let those who give in any way, shape or form, as God impresses them; whether in the form of a percentage, or on any other format, be a relational experience with the Saviour of mankind from our filthy sinful nature. I believe that the Church is not a building full of people who meet with God.
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If you choose to give a certain amount to a certain place, that is exactly what the Bible tells you to do. Many Church es do so. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Over and over, the Bible tells us to judge others. How else will we know who is the false prophet? How else will we keep from being deceived? Hold on to the good.
Tithing is not only wrong for the New Testament believer, and none of the Apostles taught believers to tithe; but now, for years churches have discriminated in the choosing of deacons, by whether they tithed or not. I was excluded, in a conversation, because I believed that tithing was an old testament law and was not carried over to New Testament believers. So positions of service in many churches are based on whether you are a tither or not. However, I do believe that we should give generously as the Apostles taught, that God love a cheerful giver.
We know circumcision and the maintaining of the sacrificial law to justify oneself before God is wrong, as those things cannot justify, and they were clearly and specifically mentioned as having been fulfilled in Christ in the epistles. The first mention of tithing came before the law, before Moses, before circumcision. Abraham gave a tenth of all his spoil to Melchizadek. Melchizadek is a type of Christ. How this is understood is pivotal to what position one comes to on tithing as post resurrection believers.
Tithing is never tied to the covenant of circumcision or animal sacrifices or feast days in the New Testament nor is it ever criticised by Jesus or the apostles. To elevate it to that position when the scriptures do not emphasize it that way is inappropriate. The one time Jesus criticized the Pharisees in relation to tithing was not because of tithing in itself but because they were so caught up in it they ignored simple mercy to others.
That statement is sufficiently clear to show their practice of tithing was not being criticized in itself, but they neglected the true heart of the law to love their neighbor as themselves. To love our neighbors as ourselves is still considered valid practice in our day. The lines are not so clear cut. That perspective is taught no where in the New Testament. Paul himself said some cannot eat meat sacrificed to idols without defiling their consciences, others can.
My point is there is a biblical line of reasoning to support either position.ethsislirawoodg.ml
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Sure we are to hold our own convictions and seek to persude others from the scriptures if we feel it needs to be done. This is why I entered the fray. No individual has the right to declare someone an unbeliever. So it takes a huge amount of discernment to determine where someone is in their walk. I do not believe in apostolic sucession and suspect you do not either, and for individuals on this forum to take the right of ex communication upon themselves is presumptious. If someone is caught in sin, as you believe tithing is, then you are to restore them gently, looking to yourself, but not to insist they castrate themselves right off the bat.
There are procedures in place following Matthew 18 to deal with church discipline and ex communication. The other thing I find disconcerting is that there is a great eagerness on some to assume they can read minds. I assume you are reasonable and have a clear conscience before God in how you order your giving. It is a personal act of worship. Whatever you put into the offering plate is only a token of your heart.
I assume you have reasoned your position from the scriptures and give Biblical weight to each part of your theology. That to you somethings are far more important than your theology of tithing. Not that convictions on specific issues are unimportant. Jesus should consume our hearts. We should love Him more than anything.
We are such continual debtors to His mercy and owe Him everything. Some doctrines are clearer than others, some are determined only by comparing scripture with scripture, such as the Trinity. And like the Trinity some doctrines may take time and much careful study over many years to solidify. Finally the arguments many of the forum participants bring against tithing can be better reasoned. I feel many of the texts used by forum members were wrenched from their contexts and plastered onto things they do not belong to. That seeming disrespect for scripture really bothers me. So a possible line of reasoning can go like this.
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I believe the practice of tithing is no longer valid in our current times because Melchizadek was a type of Christ. Abraham was looking forward to Christ and showed his devotion to Christ and His future sacrifice by givng an offering. Or we could say the purpose of the tithe was to provide for the Levites as they had no portion in the land but were scattered within it.
The Levites no longer exist and so the tithe is no longer needed for their upkeep. The New Testament now says those who steal should steal no longer but work so that they may be able to share with others in need.
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On the other hand in the support of the tithe, we may say that since Melchizadek was a type of Christ and Abraham is our spiritual father since we have the faith of Abraham we are to follow his axample because unlike circumcision his tithing action was not replaced by something else. So in tithing we are giving to Christ because of His deliverance. The duties of the Levites, devoting themselves to the word of God and prayer, is now the job of pastors or teaching elders and so tithing is the means God uses for their support.
In either case, those who preach the gospel are to get their living from the gospel. A non tither can just as easily fall into the rut of self justification as can a tither. We must allow scripture to search us as our hearts are so prone to self deception. One practical implication is this.
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It speaks really poorly of us as the people of God to see our ministers, the faithful ones, not the flashy TV guys, who labor in the word, who pour their lives into ours, who groan with us in our struggles, to be paid barely enough to keep it all together. We are to esteem them highly because of their work and pray for them.
We are not to muzzle them while they are threshing out the grain. We are to obey the scriptures in providing for them. The way that is worded indicates that the king of Sodom was claiming that the people and the goods belonged to him, but he offered the goods to Abram. It would normally have been the custom that the victor owns the spoils, but normally the spoils would have belonged to the enemy.
Russell Earl Kelly, pages Genesis KJV 22And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: 24Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.
Notice in verses 23 and 24 Abram also acknowledges that the goods belonged to the king of Sodom. But the king of Sodam offered that Abram could keep the goods for himself. Abram declined the offer. By not accepting any of the goods for himself, Abram was putting all his faith in God to provide for him rather than man.
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